-Are you a God?
- they asked the Buddha.
- No.
- Are you an angel, then?
- No.
- A saint?
- No.
- Then what are you?


"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure of
the universe"-Albert Einstein-

Om Mani Padme Hum

Matthew 25:40

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Matthew 7 1-6

1. Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4. Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5. Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Monday, May 30, 2011

Giant Human Remains Possibly hundreds of Thousands to Millions of Years Old

To continue in the vein of my last post, here is an article that goes into the remains of ancient, antediluvian, unknown pre-historic people, who are also giants. Apparently the remains of these giant people, similar in many ways to we who exist today, but dissimilar in many ways other than the enormous size of their bodies. I find it facinating that these have been discovered throughout the world, many here in the US, over many years, yet few people know about them. We aren't taught about them, in fact the teachers, museums, those in charge  in general go out of their way to make sure that people in general never find out about them or the civilizations that may have existed, or that there possibly were people and civilizations existing as much as 2-3-4 MILLION years ago. Why? If it's true, what are they afraid of?  If it's not true, and they can prove it, or not, wouldn't it be better to bring it out so we can't be fooled?  Why are they hiding this information? Why aren't the remains in museums? I think a good guess is that if they do exist, and based on this information, they probably do, they hope the information just disappears or is forgotten, for some reason. Here is the article, read it, learn from it...  

Link to the article

Lee Murray
Giant Human Remains

- From records and sources all over the world. -submitted by John Williams

Giant Skeletons:

In his book, The Natural and Aboriginal History of Tennessee, author John
Haywood describes "very large" bones in stone graves found in Williamson
County, Tennessee, in 1821. In White County, Tennessee, an "ancient
fortification" contained skeletons of gigantic stature averaging at least 7
feet in length.
Giant skeletons were found in the mid-1800s near Rutland and Rodman,
New York. J.N. DeHart, M.D. found vertebrae "larger than those of the present
type" in Wisconsin mounds in 1876. W.H.R. Lykins uncovered skull bones "of
great size and thickness" in mounds of Kansas City area in 1877.
George W. Hill, M.D., dug out a skeleton "of unusual size" in a mound of
Ashland County, Ohio. In 1879, a nine-foot, eight-inch skeleton was
excavated from a mound near Brewersville, Indiana (Indianapolis News, Nov 10,
A six foot, six inch skeleton was found in a Utah mound. This was at least a
foot taller than the average Indian height in the area, and these natives-
what few there were of them -were not mound builders.
"A skeleton which is reported to have been of enormous dimensions" was found
in a clay coffin, with a sandstone slab containing hieroglyphics, during
mound explorations by a Dr Everhart near Zanesville, Ohio. (American
Antiquarian, v3, 1880, pg61).
Ten skeletons "of both sexes and of gigantic size" were taken from a mound
at Warren, Minnesota, 1883. (St. Paul Pioneer Press, May 23, 1883)
A skeleton 7 feet 6 inches long was found in a massive stone structure that
was likened to a temple chamber within a mound in Kanawha County, West
Virginia, in 1884. (American Antiquarian, v6, 1884 133f. Cyrus Thomas,
Report on Mound Explorations of the Bureau of Ethnology, 12th Annual Report,
Smithsonian Bureau of Ethnology, 1890-91).
A large mound near Gasterville, Pennsylvania, contained a vault in which was
found a skeleton measuring 7 feet 2 inches. Inscriptions were carved on the
vault. (American Antiquarian, v7, 1885, 52f).
In 1885, miners discovered the mummified remains of woman measuring 6 feet 8
inches tall holding an infant. The mummies were found in a cave behind a
wall of rock in the Yosemite Valley.
In Minnesota, 1888, were discovered remains of seven skeletons 7 to 8 feet
tall. (St. Paul Pioneer Press, June 29, 1888).
A mound near Toledo, Ohio, held 20 skeletons, seated and facing east with
jaws and teeth "twice as large as those of present day people," and besides
each was a large bowl with "curiously wrought hieroglyphic figures."
(Chicago Record, Oct. 24, 1895; cited by Ron G. Dobbins, NEARA Journal, v13,
fall 1978).
The skeleton of a huge man was uncovered at the Beckley farm, Lake Koronis,
Minnesota; while at Moose Island and Pine City, bones of other giants came
to light. (St. Paul Globe, Aug. 12, 1896).
In 1911, several red-haired mummies ranging from 6 and a half feet to 8 feet
tall were discovered in a cave in Lovelock, Nevada.
In February and June of 1931, large skeletons were found in the Humboldt
lake bed near Lovelock, Nevada. The first of these two skeletons found
measured 8 1/2 feet tall and appeared to have been wrapped in a gum-covered
fabric similiar to the Egyptian manner. The second skeleton was almost 10
feet long. (Review - Miner, June 19, 1931).
A 7 foot 7 inch skeleton was reported to have been found on the Friedman
ranch, near Lovelock, Nevada, in 1939.(Review - Miner, Sept. 29, 1939)
In 1965, a skeleton measuring 8 feet 9 inches was found buried under a rock
ledge along the Holly Creek in east-central Kentucky.


There was a race or group of people found in Australia called "meganthropus"
by anthropologists. These people were of very large size--estimated between
7 to 12 feet tall, depending on what source you read. These people were
found with mega tool artifacts, so their humaness is difficult to question.
Four jaw fragments and thousands of teeth have been found in China of
"gigantopithecus blacki"--named after the discover. Based on the size of the
teeth and deep jaws, its size has been estimated at around 10 feet and as
tall as 12 feet, 1200 pounds.


In old river gravels near Bathurst, NSW, huge stone artifacts -- clubs,
pounders, adzes, chisels, knives and hand axes -- all of tremendous weight,
lie scattered over a wide area. These weigh anything from 8, 10, 15, to 21
and 25 pounds, implements which only men of tremendous proportions could
possibly have made and used. Estimates for the actual size of these men
range from 10 to 12 feet tall and over, weighing from 500 to 600 lbs.
A fossicker searching the Winburndale River north of Bathurst discovered a
large quartzitised fossil human molar tooth, far too big for any normal
modern man. A similar find was made near Dubbo, N.S.W.
Prospectors working in the Bathurst district in the 1930's frequently
reported coming across numerous large human footprints fossilised in shoals
of red jasper.
Even more impressive were fossil deposits found by naturalist Rex Gilroy
around Bathurst. He excavated from a depth of 6 feet (2 m) below the surface
a fossil lower back molar tooth measuring 67 mm. in length by 50mm. x 42 mm.
across the crown. If his measurements are correct, the owner would have been
at least 25 ft. tall, weighing well over 1,000 lbs!
At Gympie, Queensland, a farmer, Keith Walker, was ploughing his field when
he turned up the large fragment of the back portion of a jaw which still
possessed the hollow for a missing lower back molar tooth. This is now in
Rex GiIroy's possession. The owner of the tooth would have stood
at 10 feet tall.
In the Megalong Valley in the Blue Mountains NSW, a Mr P. Holman found in
ironstone protruding from a creek bank the deeply impressed print of a large
human-like foot. The print was that of the instep, with all 5 toes clearly
shown. This footprint measures 7 inches across the toes. Had the footprint
been complete it would have been at least 2 feet (60 cm in length,
appropriate to a 12 foot human. However, the largest footprint found on the
Blue Mountains must have belonged to a man 20 feet tall!
A set of 3 huge footprints was discovered near Mulgoa, south of Penrith,
N.S.W. These prints, each measuring 2 ft long and 7 inches across the toes,
are 6 ft. apart, indicating the stride of the 12 ft. giant who left them.
These prints were preserved by volcanic lava and ash flows which "occurred
millions of years" before man is supposed to have appeared on the Australian
continent (if one is to believe the evolutionary theory):
Noel Reeves found monstrous footprints near Kempsey, N.S.W. in sandstone
beds on the Upper Macleay River. One print shows toe 4 inches (10cm) long
and the total toe-span is 10 inches (25cm) - suggesting that the owner of
the print may have been 17 feet tall.
It is certain the Aborigines were not the first to reach Australia.
Anthropologists maintain mainland Aborigines are in fact quite recent
arrivals that ate their precessors who were akin to the New Guinea natives.
Aborigine themselves admit in their ancient folklore that this land was
inhabited by several groups of men, as well as giants, before they settled


In an old book entitled "History And Antiquities Of Allerdale," there is an
account of a giant found in Cumberland, England, at an unknown date in the
middle ages. Called "A True Report of Hugh Hodson, of Thorneway," it states:
"The said gyant was buried four yards deep in the ground, which is now a
corn field. He was four yards and a half long, and was in complete armour;
his sword and battle-axe lying by him....his teeth were six inches long, and
two inches broad...." The bones of a twelve foot tall man were dug up in
1833 by a group of soldiers at Lompock Rancho, California. The skeleton was
surrounded by giant weapons, and the skull featured a double row of teeth.
Yet another giant was unearthed in 1891, when workmen in Crittenden, Arizona
excavated a huge stone coffin that had evidently once held the body of a man
12 feet tall. A carving on the granite case indicated that he had six toes.
A living giant was sighted in the little village of Buffalo Mills,
Pennsylvania, on August 19, 1973. A man at least nine feet tall strode down
the main street of the village, dressed in strange clothing, which appeared
to be made of some sort of shimmering material. He gazed at the startled
townspeople in a dark, penetrating way and then loped off casually into


In July, 1877, four prospectors were looking for gold and silver
outcroppings in a desolate, hilly area near the head of Spring Valley, not
far from Eureka, Nevada.
Scanning the rocks, one of the men spotted something peculiar projecting
from a high ledge. Climbing up to get a better look, the prospector was
surprised to find a human legbone and knee cap sticking out of solid rock.
He called to his companions, and together they dislodged the oddity with
picks. Realizing they had a most unusual find, the men brought it into
Eureka, where it was placed on display.
The stone in which the bones were embedded was a hard, dark red quartzite,
and the bones themselves were almost black with carbonization - indicative
of great age. When the surrounding stone was carefully chipped away, the
specimen was found to be composed of a leg bone broken off four inches above
the knee, the knee cap and joint, the lower leg bones, and the complete
bones of the foot. Several medical doctors examined the remains, and were
convinced that anatomically they had indeed once belonged to a human being,
and a very modern-looking one.
But an intriguing aspect of the bones was their size: from knee to heel they
measured 39 inches. Their owner in life had thus stood over 12 feet tall.
Compounding the mystery further was the fact that the rock in which the
bones were found was dated geologically to the era of the dinosaurs, the
Jurassic - over 185 million years old. The local papers ran several stories
on the marvelous find, and two museums sent investigators to see if any more
of the skeleton could be located. Unfortunately, nothing else but the leg
and foot existed in the rock." Strange Relics from the Depths of the
Earth--Jochmans Link to Strange Relics


In 1936 Larson Kohl, the German paleontologist and anthropologist, found the
bones of gigantic men on the shore of Lake Elyasi in Central Africa. Other
giant skeletons were later found in Hava, the Transvaal and China. The
evidence for the existence of giants is incontrovertible. "A scientifically
assured fact," says Dr. Louis Burkhalter.
1. Large bones in stone graves in Williamson County and White County,
Tennessee. Discovered in the early 1800s, the average stature of
these giants was 7 feet tall.
2. Giant skeletons found in the mid-1800s in New York state near Rutland and
3. In 1833, soldiers digging at Lompock Rancho, California, discovered a
male skeleton 12 feet tall. The skeleton was surrounded by caved shells, stone
axes, other artifacts. The skeleton had double rows of upper and lower teeth.
Unfortunately, this body was secretly buried because the local Indians
became upset about the remains.
4. A giant skull and vertebrae found in Wisconsin and Kansas City.
5. A giant found off the California Coast on Santa Rosa Island in the 1800s
was distinguished by its double rows of teeth.
6. A 9-foot, 8-inch skeleton was excavated from a mount near Brewersville,
Indiana, in 1879.
7. Skeletons of "enormous dimensions" were found in mounds near Zanesville,
Ohio, and Warren, Minnesota, in the 1880s.
8. In Clearwater Minnesota, the skeletons of seven giants were found in
mounds. These had receding foreheads and complete double dentition.
9. At Le Crescent, Wisconsin, mounds were found to contain giant bones. Five
miles north near Dresbach, the bones of people over 8 feet tall were found.
10. In 1888 seven skeletons ranging from seven to 8 feet tall were
11. Near Toledo, Ohio, 20 skeletons were discovered with jaws and teeth
"twice as large as those of present day people."
The account also noted that odd hieroglyphics were found with the bodies.
12. Miners in Lovelock Cave, California, discovered a very tall, red-haired
mummy In 1911
13. This mummy eventually went to a fraternal lodge where it was used for
"initiation purposes."
14. In 1931, skeletons from 8 ½ to 10 feet long were found in the Humbolt
lake bed in California.
15. In 1932, Ellis Wright found human tracks in the gypsum rock at White
Sands, New Mexico
His discovery was later backed up by Fred Arthur, Supervisor of the Lincoln
National Park and others who reported that each footprint was 22 inches long
and from 8 to 10 inches wide. They were certain the prints were human in
origin due to the outline of the perfect prints coupled with a readily
apparent instep.
16. During World War II, author Ivan T. Sanderson tells of how his crew was
bulldozing through sedimentary rock when it stumbled upon what appeared to
be a graveyard.
In it were crania that measured from 22 to 24 inches from base to crown
nearly three times as large as an adult human skull.
Had the creatures to whom these skulls belonged been properly proportioned,
they undoubtedly would have been at least 12 feet tall or taller.
17. In 1947 a local newspaper reported the discovery of nine-foot-tall
skeletons by amateur archeologists working in Death Valley.
18. The archeologists involved also claimed to have found what appeared to
be the bones of tigers and dinosaurs with the human remains.
19. The Catalina Islands, off California, are the home of dwarf mammoth
bones that were once roasted in ancient fire pits.
These were roasted and eaten by human-like creatures who were giants with
double rows of teeth.


Kossuth: October was a month of some excitement in scientific circles as
seven strange and gigantic mummies were discovered just outside of Kossuth
Center. Marvin Rainwater, a local farmer, had been digging a new well on his
property and struck a deposit of very hard stone about nine feet below the
topsoil. In attempting to dig it out, he found that it was more than four
feet wide in every direction. Removing it would be a terrific chore. He
considered the possibility that this was a layer of bedrock, but that would
certainly be odd that close to the surface. Further, being somewhat familiar
with geologic deposits, he knew that the stone was not the familiar
limestone for which such Eastern Iowa areas like Stone City are famous. This
was something else entirely. Upon close inspection Rainwater also saw that
the stone was not as rough as might be expected in a natural formation, but
was in fact smooth and polished. Now very curious as to the nature of the
find, he called several friends from surrounding farms and they began an
excavation. They discovered that it was not a single stone, but rather one
of at least several irregularly cut slabs stretching out over a wide area,
yet fitted so tightly together that not even a knife blade could be put
between them. Each slab measured roughly 8'x10', and when struck with a
sledge seemed to ring with a hollowness that might indicate this was not a
floor but the outside portion of a ceiling. Rainwater wondered if he had not
stumbled upon some sort of buried stone structure on his property. Believing
that there might be a way to parlay living other than farming if he played
his cards right, Mr. Rainwater contacted Georg Von Podebrad College, who in
turn dispatched a team of archeologists, anthropologists, and geologists to
the site. The researchers were delighted with the anomalies presented them.
Firstly, the stone was not at all native to Iowa, but was in fact basalt-a
hard, dense volcanic rock composed of plagioclase, augite, and magnetite.
The type of stone used by the Egyptians to build their massive monuments.
The depth of the slabs indicated that they had been there for a very long
time, predating the advent of the kind of modern transportation and heavy
machinery needed to bring such a large quantity of foreign stone to Iowa,
and quite probably the slabs had been laid down before the last glacial age.
It is impossible to gauge with any certainty just how long they had been
there. After the soil covering the slabs had been entirely removed, the
area covered by the stones was a perfect square measuring 188 feet on each
side. Digging around the perimeter revealed that Rainwater had been correct,
the structure did go deeper into the ground. The cyclopean structure was
revealed to be a pyramid similar in shape to one located at Marietta, Ohio,
although those mounds and monuments erected by the prehistoric Indians were
made of sun dried brick mixed with rushes. This technique, too, is curiously
similar to the Egyptian technique of brick making with straw and mud. It
took many months, but the entire structure was finally exposed, and on the
eastern side was found a massive filled in archway with strong resemblance
to those of ancient Greece. At the bottom of the arch was a smaller arch,
measuring only 6' to the capstone. This too had been filled in and blocked
off. With genuine awe and some hesitancy the scientists of the Rainwater
Site began the work of opening the smaller entryway, wondering what light
from the first torch penetrated the gloom of the ancient structure, Albert
Grosslockner gasped at what he thought were seven huge and exquisitely
detailed statues seated in a ring around a very large and deep fire pit.
Moving closer, he realized that the figures were not carved of stone, but
were in fact the mummified remains of some giant humanoid race.
Could what they found be in fact a prehistoric burial vault for some pre-human
creatures or was it a prison designed to hold some freakish aberration of
nature? The figures, were each fully ten feet tall even when measured seated
in their cross-legged positions. They all faced into the circle with arms
folded across their legs. Upon close examination it was seen that they had
double rows of teeth in their upper and lower jaws. The foreheads were
unusually low and sloping, with exceedingly prominent brows. The skin of the
mysterious giants was wrinkled and tough, as though tanned, and the hair of
each of them was distinctly red in color. Their faces, still very expressive
even in death, taunted the scientists with their silence. Who, or what, were
these creatures, how had they come to be locked in this stone room, and
where had the stone itself come from originally? After careful excavation
of the site, the bodies were removed for x-ray and autopsy examination. The
excitement over the find was far in excess of the "Gypsum Man" find in Iowa
so many years before-a hoax from which the Putnam Museum of Davenport had
never fully recovered from. These giants were very real. The medical
examinations demonstrated that there was definite skeletal structure, that
they were organic creatures who had once been very much alive. One
explanation for the mummies might lie in the legends of the Paiute Indians
who tell of a race of red-haired giants who were their mortal enemies
centuries ago. They were called the Si-Te-Cahs, driven from Nevada by a
previously unheard of alliance of tribes. Did the Si-Te-Cahs retreat from
the west to Iowa? Was the stone structure here before and simply co-opted by
the giants? No one may ever know, however it is interesting to note that
among the Indian relics held in the Kossuth County chapter of the State
Historical Society are three robes made entirely from very long strands of
red hair. We await DNA comparisons of samples taken from the mummies and the
robes to determine a connection. In the mean-time, Marvin Rainwater has had
his farm purchased by interested parties in Hopkins Grove for an undisclosed
sum, and is quite happily no longer toiling in his fields or digging wells.


Ivan T. Sanderson, a well-known zoologist and frequent guest on Johnny
Carson's TONIGHT SHOW in the 1960s (usually with an exotic animal with a
pangolin or a lemur), once related a curious story about a letter he
received regarding an engineer who was stationed on the Aleutian island of
Shemya during World War II. While building an airstrip, his crew bulldozed a
group of hills and discovered under several sedimentary layers what appeared
to be human remains. The Alaskan mound was in fact a graveyard of gigantic
human remains, consisting of crania and long leg bones. The crania measured
from 22 to 24 inches from base to crown. Since an adult skull normally
measures about eight inches from back to front, such a large crania would
imply an immense size for a normally proportioned human. Furthermore, every
skull was said to have been neatly trepanned (a process of cutting a hole in
the upper portion of the skull).
In fact, the habit of flattening the skull of an infant and forcing it to
grow in an elongated shape was a practice used by ancient Peruvians, the
Mayas, and the Flathead Indians of Montana. Sanderson tried to gather
further proof, eventually receiving a letter from another member of the unit
who confirmed the report. The letters both indicated that the Smithsonian
Institution had collected the remains, yet nothing else was heard. Sanderson
seemed convinced that the Smithsonian Institution had received the bizarre
relics, but wondered why they would not release the data. He asks, ""
it that these people cannot face rewriting all the textbooks?""


In South Africa, a giant footprint of a woman measuring over 4 feet long has
been carbon dated at aproximately 9 million years old. Pointing to the
probability of this being a female human-like species' foot, proportionally
the two-legged being would need to be some 30 feet tall! The local African
people commonly refer to this as a highly revered and sacred site. Giants,
twice the size of gorillas, were found in Java.
The petrified remains of a giant were found in South Africa. A well-known
anthropologist declared that these remains showed that these man's ancestors
must have been giants.


Within an ancient burial mound near the town of Sayre in Bradford County,
Pennsylvania, skeletons measuring approximately 7 feet in length were
discovered in the 1800s. But the most remarkable feature of these tall
skeletons was not their height, but the strange horn-like protrusions above
the brow region on their skulls. It was estimated that they were buried
around 1200 AD. According to some sources, the skeletons were sent to the
"American Investigating Museum" in Philadelphia, and vanished.


In Lampec-Rancho California, in 1833, soldiers discovered a skeleton 11' 9''
long which was covered with boulders with an unidentified writing. A similar
writing was unearthed on the isle of Santa Maria off the cost of Los
Angeles. In July of 1887 in Eureka Nevada, a human leg was found measuring
38.9 inches form the knee to the heel. The man was over 11 foot tall. In
Crittenton Arizona in 1891 a sarcophagus was uncovered containing a human 3
meters high and had 12 toes. More recently skeletons ranging from 2.8 meters
to 3.12 meters were found by soviets in the Caucasus Mountains. In China
skeletons 10 feet tall have been found. In the Philippines a giant human
skeleton was found at gargation, Measuring 17 feet long. In the Eagle three
Cole mine at Bear Creek Montana in 1920 two human molars were found three
times larger than normal. In Braton Tennessee human footprints were found in
solid rock 33 inches log and one foot wide. These also have six toes each.
Tools found in Morocco are so large their users must have been at least 12
foot tall. Other Giants found around the world are: the Java giant, the south China giant, and the South Africa giant. (See The Timeless Earth p. 26)
In 1833,soldiers digging a pit for a powder magazine at Lompock
Rancho, California, hacked their way through a layer of cemented gravel and
came up with the skeleton of a giant man about twelve feet tall. The skeleton
was surrounded by carved shells, huge stone axes, and blocks of porphyry
covered with unintelligible symbols. The giant was also noteworthy in still
another respect :He had a double row of teeth, both upper and lower.
When the natives began to attach some religious significance to the find,
authorities ordered the skeleton and all the artifacts secretly reburied-
and , of course ,lost to the scientific study they deserved.
This particular giant, incidentally, bore marked similarity to another, that
of a giant man with double rows of teeth whose skeletal remains were dug up
on Santa Rosa Island, off the California coast. Subsequent research has
shown that he, or his descendants, feasted on the small elephants which once
lived on that island and which have vanished like the giants who ate them,
countless ages ago.
Near Crittenden, Arizona, in 1891, workmen excavating for a commercial
building came upon a huge stone sarcophagus eight feet below the surface. The
contractor called in expert help, and the sarcophagus was opened to reveal a
granite mummy case which had once held the body of a human being more than
twelve feet tall -a human with six toes, according to the carving of the
case. But the body had been buried so many thousands of years that it had
long since turned to dust. Just another silent witness to the truth of
Genesis, which tells us that there were giants in the earth in those
days, the excavation of over a dozen skeletons 8 to 12 feet tall, around the world, shocked archeologists.
These skeletons were positively human. Some of these skeletal remains are on Maui
in lava caves near Ulupalakua and Olowalu. An example of this is the "mysterious"
disappearance of more than 50 perfectly kept gigantic antediluvian skeletons
(between 10-14 feet tall) found in a cave in Arizona.
Earth Giants : over the years a number of gigantic human skeletons have been
unearthed. The most distinctive of these were the remains of some American
giants found in the 1880s at Tioga Point, near Sayre in Bradford County,
Pennsylvania, as recounted by Robert Lyman in Forbidden Land. Some other
examples include the following:
A decayed human skeleton claimed by eyewitnesses to measure around 3.28
metres (10 feet 9 inches tall), was unearthed by labourers while ploughing a
vineyard in November 1856 in East Wheeling, now in West Virginia.
A human skeleton measuring 3.6 metres (12 foot) tall was unearthed at
Lompock Rancho, California, in 1833 by soldiers digging in a pit for a
powder magazine. The specimen had a double row of teeth and was surrounded
by numerous stone axes, carved shells and porphyry blocks with abstruse
symbols associated with it.
Several mummified remains of red haired humans ranging from 2-2.5 metres
(6.5 feet to over 8 feet) tall were dug up at Lovelock Cave, (70 miles)
north-east of Reno, Nevada, by a guano mining operation. These bones
substantiated legends by the local Piute Indians regarding giants which they
called Si-Te-Cahs. For some reason scientists did not seem to want to
investigate these finds further so many of the bones were lost. Fortunately
one of the giant Lovelock skulls is still preserved today. It measures
almost 30cm (1 foot) tall and resides along with other various Lovelock
artefacts in the Humboldt Museum in Winnemucca, Nevada. Some of these
artefacts can also be found in the Nevada State Historical Society's museum
at Reno.


In this magazine for September, 1923, we mentioned a reported discovery by
Mr. Samuel Hubbard, of remains of giants in the Grand Canyon of Arizona.
Owing to press unreliability, we did not notice this to a great extent. We
have now, however, obtained more knowledge on the subject, and there remains
no doubt that Mr. Hubbard has actually made a discovery composed of the
following parts:
(a) Petrified bodies of two human beings about 18 and 15 feet in height
respectively. One of these is buried under a recent rock fall which would
require several days' work to remove; the other, of which Mr. Hubbard took
photographs, is in a crevice of difficult accessibility. The bodies are
formed of a limestone petrification embedded in sandstone.
(b) An ancient beach, now sandstone, containing a great number of footprints
of a giant race, men, women and children; the prints of adults about 17 to
20 inches in length, and corresponding in size and shape to the Carson City
and Blue Ridge prints.


According to a press clipping, dated Nayarit, Mexico, May 14, 1926, Capts.
D. W. Page and F. W. Devalda discovered the bones of a race of giants who
averaged over ten feet in height. Local legends state that they came from
Ecuador. Nothing more has been heard of this, but that is not surprising;
the word "giant" will flutter the feathers of any scientist into rapid
flight, metaphorically speaking, in the opposite direction. So also with a
report from the Washington Post, June 22, 1925, and the New York
Herald-Tribune, June 21, 1925. A mining party, it is reported, found
skeletons measuring 10 to 12 feet, with feet 18 to 20 inches long, near
Sisoguiche, Mexico. The Los Angeles Times, October 2, 1927, says that
explorers in Mexico located large human bones near Tapextla, indicating a
race of "gigantic size." All this, if unfounded, would be straining
coincidence or imagination pretty far.
Press accounts say that the skeleton of a gigantic man, with head missing,
has been unearthed at El Boquin, on the Mico River, in the Chontales
district. The ribs are a yard long and four inches wide and the shin bone is
too heavy for one man to carry. "Chontales" is an Indian word, meaning "wild
In the late 1950's during road construction in Homs southeast Turkey, Many
tombs of Giants were indeed unearthed. These tombs were 4 meters long, and
when enterd in 2 cases the human thigh bones were measured to be 47.24
inches in length. They calculated that the person who owned this Femur
probably stood at fourteen to sixteen feet tall. A cast of this bone is seen
at the Creationist museum in Texas.
Flavius Josephus, the noted Jewish historian of the first century A.D.,
described the giants as having "bodies so large and countenances so entirely
different from other men that they were surprising to the sight and terrible
to the hearing." And he adds that in his day, the bones of the giants were
still on display!


-submitted by John Williams

Friday, May 27, 2011

Evolution Disproved or Just Started Much Much Earlier Than Theorized?

Just found this site and thought you'd be interested, as it shows that we, as we are, more or less, existed a LONG time ago. I don't actually know if it disproves evolution, after all evolution, contrary to what many think, is just another theory, and theories need to be adjusted for accuracy sometimes. Nobody knows the truth we're all theorizing, and these finds do throw a monkey wrench, (no pun intended), in the current accepted works. It is possible that evolution did happen but just started much earlier, that the world is much older, that we are much older, that scientists are completely wrong about everything, etc.  As I said, we know nothing, we're just guessing contrary to the scientists and "experts," who sincerely believe they know it all.
The good stuff starts about halfway down, so enjoy and maybe learn something.

Lee Murray

Evolution Disproved    Link to Web site

Here is one of the biggest shocks of this century. Are you
ready for it?
This man was applauded by a group of supporters in Australia
recently. Richard Dawkins is the world’s most famous living

“I challenge anyone to submit ‘out-of-sequence’ fossil finds
that disprove evolution,” he said. In his publication “The
Greatest Show on Earth” Dawkins issues this challenge four
And in the January issue of Investigate, his NZ follower
Warwick Don said “evolution would be falsified if even one
out of sequence fossil were ever found in the fossil record,
e.g. a fossil ‘human’ in the Carboniferous… No such
anachronistic fossils have ever been found.”
Richard and Don theorise that life forms evolved from simple
to complex, ending in man. But what if human remains were to
turn up in the “oldest” strata? Would that mean that man was
here at the beginning of life on earth?

Oh bother! A fossil human skull has been found in
Carboniferous strata near Mahanoy City, Pennsylvania.
Specimens of this skull were taken by Chinese scientist Lin
Liangtai first to the geology department of National Taiwan
University. Then also, on March 28, 2008, this fossil was
scanned by the Computed Tomography system of Alberta Research
Council in Canada.
This fossil and more than 20 others from the same
Carboniferous strata have been thin sectioned and more than
1,000 microscopic pictures taken.
Examinations have been made not only through a stereo-
microscope, but also through a digital microscope, a
transmitted-light microscope and a scanning electron
Liangtai first asked, Is this A ROCK OR A FOSSIL?
The examining scientist noted, for a start, that its
computed-tomography images don’t look like any rock.
Images of the object show numerous remains of
(1) bone cells (osteocytes);
(2) branching blood vessel remains, Haversian canals and
(3) transverse section remains of blood vessels;
(4) red blood cells;
(5) degraded remains of neurons, neuroglial cells and
nerve fibers;
(6) muscle fibres;
(7) various fossilized tissues.
It contains fossilized nerve cells, dendrites and somas of
brain cells, that exist only in the central nervous system
and which are not found in any organ except in brains.
The remains point to a calvarium fossil that once contained
brain tissue. The blood vessels in the brain have carbonized
into shiny bituminous coal/anthracite.
No rocks or plants contain all at the same time the remains
of neurons, neuroglial cells, bone cells, red blood cells,
Haversian canals, osteons and blood vessels.
Pictures of the other Carboniferous fossils likewise show
Haversian canals and osteons, which are distinguishing
features of fossil bone micro-structures. They include organs
such as human liver, fingers, penises, testes, kidneys, limb,
Liangtai’s next question was, Is this ANIMAL OR HUMAN?
All crania have different, distinctive shapes among different
orders of animal. Human skull caps have a unique shape from
mammalian skull caps.
The skull’s inner cavity has a capacity of 1,025 c.c.- 1,665
c.c. The No. 1 distinction of human skulls lies in their large
cranial capacity. No animal has a skull that remotely matches
human skulls in cranial capacity, cranial shape and cranial
The analysis shows that this subject fossil matches human
skull caps in cranial size, cranial capacity, and cranial
Thus, it can be identified as a human calvarium fossil by
forensic experts on human skulls. One such expert is Wilton
Krogman, who has physically examined the fossil and confirmed
it to be a human calvarium fossil.
Liangtai finally asked, Is it CARBONIFEROUS OR MODERN?
Portions of the fossil, including some of the fossil’s blood
vessels have turned into coal.
The skull was discovered near Mahanoy City between the coal
veins. The Pennsylvania state government’s geological unit
has confirmed in writing to Lin Liangtai that fossils found
near Mahanoy City are all 305 (+/- 7) million years old.
For over 27 years, the owner of the fossils, Ed Conrad, has
attested many times that all his fossils were found between
coal veins near Shenandoah and Mahanoy City, Pennsylvania.
That is in the anthracite region, the only one in the U.S.
proper. It’s a most-studied geological area of the
Carboniferous age.
That is to say any animal fossil found there must have lived
there in the Carboniferous age.
I have addressed this issue at length with Ed Conrad, who for
27 years has battled the entrenched “experts” to come clean
about the discoveries.
Among Conrad’s other fossils are:
(a) a coalified axe handle as well-made as those sold
on e-bay.
(b) a coalified piece of limb cut flatly across soft
flesh and hard bone, as if with a sharp knife, and
(c) a fossilized human finger complete with skin tissue,
finger nail, ligaments, and the middle phalanx.
Twenty medical experts have pronounced this as a genuine human
finger. This is not good news for the evolution theory.
But it gets worse…
Not only have numerous other human remains been discovered in
Carboniferous strata – such as a complete skeleton in
Carboniferous (Macoupin County, Illinois – The Geologist).
But also in EVERY other so-called geological age – for example
a human skeleton in Silurian rock (Franklin County, Missouri –
Scientific American);
And tools, inscriptions and physical human remains in Cretaceous,
Triassic, Devonian, Ordovacian and Cambrian. Hundreds of
reports have appeared in Scientific American.
This is not about the age of the earth – an increasingly
debateable topic – but about the evolutionary succession-of-life
Even just one man found in the Carboniferous falsifies the
The truth is, many honest but misinformed scientists are caught
up in the system – while their mentors deliberately suppress
this information. After all, careers, reputations and funding
are at stake.
So, if the facts do not agree with the favoured theory, then
such facts, even an ‘imposing array’ of them, must be thrown
out of the window.
My hat is off to Lin Liangtai, who has confirmed that the
scientific elite are members of a pseudo establishment. Why?
Because they have not sought truth about man’s origin and
ancestry, but have gone along with a colossal lie to protect
their vested interests.
Surely this requires a no nonsense, “look in the mirror with
new honesty” approach. And when one who is honestly mistaken
hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease
to be honest.

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Wednesday, May 25, 2011

One Woman's Fight to Rejoin the Middle Class

Found this article on Yahoo (Yahooooooooo!!!) and found it inspiring. My own situation is fragile right now, still looking for work, and has been pointed out I could end up homeless, which as this article points out can actually happen very easily. This girl, I'm 60ish I get to call her a girl, didn't lose her head or hope. She accepted her situation, but kept putting one foot in front of the other, looking for a path back. At the same time she realized that homeless doesn't mean what the establishment mostly tells us it means. It can happen to anybody who isn't careful. I just read a blog that stated that over 50% of the people in this country couldn't raise just 2000. within 30 days if they had to have it.  Anyway, enough of me, enjoy the article, learn from it...

Lee Murray

Link to article on Yahoo

A few months after losing her administrative job in the summer of 2008, 23-year-old Brianna Karp got rid of her furniture, a beloved piano, and most of her books so she could move back in with her parents. When that didn't work out, she moved into an old trailer a relative had left her, settling into an informal homeless community in a Wal-Mart parking lot in Brea, Calif. By the summer of 2009, she was living without electricity, regular showers, home-cooked food, and most basic conveniences.  Karp held tight to her laptop, however, and began writing a blog about her experiences. That generated attention that helped her land a part-time magazine internship, and eventually ink a book deal. Although her book, "The Girl's Guide to Homelessness," was recently published, Karp still lives in a dilapidated shed that the state of California considers not fit for human habitation. I spoke with her recently about her experiences. Excerpts:
What happened?
I lost my job in 2008. I kept up my rent payments with temp work, which lasted for a couple of months, and I had a few thousand in savings. But I was basically living from paycheck to paycheck. I moved in with my parents, and that was not a good idea. I had to get out. I'm not connected to my parents any more. I ended up living in a trailer in the Wal-Mart parking lot. I had inherited it from a relative who committed suicide earlier that year.I have a couple of close friends, but they were all living with their parents or with roommates and wouldn't have been able to put me up. You think you have that to fall back on, but not really. That's obviously an abrupt change. How did you adjust?
You go into survival mode. Becoming homeless is not the kind of thing people foresee happening to them. I didn't think I'd stay homeless for that long. I'd go to Starbucks with my laptop and send out hundreds of emails and job applications. I really crave stability. A lot of people are nomads, but I don't like moving. It gets depressing very fast when you're homeless.
What did you miss the most? 
Brianna Karp

My old piano. I missed playing piano. Playing with my dog in the back yard. I had to board my dog. He's a Neopolitan mastiff. He's really big. I kept him for one month, until it got hot. I tried boarding him at a kennel, but then I put out a tweet asking, anybody want to board a dog? I found somebody out in the boonies within 36 hours.
I miss stability. Electricity -- clicking on a light switch and staying up late at night cooking or reading. I'm sick of eating crappy food. Your health takes a beating. I miss having my bed. I've been sleeping on a couch or on the floor for a really long time.
Anything you didn't miss?
Furniture. You can always find more. And it's easy to get rid of. It was a lot harder to give up books and movies. The bigger stuff, it's easier to cut the cord. When you're in survival mode, you slash everything.
How'd your blog get started?
A friend suggested I write a blog and promote it on Twitter. I said, "I still don't get Twitter." I sent out one tweet and said to my friend, "There, are you happy?" Then I started getting followers. It turns out there are a lot of homeless people online. Even rough sleepers have laptops, because nothing is more valuable than keeping you connected to the outside world.
What's a rough sleeper?
People who sleep outside, on benches or sidewalks.
How'd you access the Internet?
I found a $5-per-month Starbucks card, and used that so I could access the wireless. They were fantastic. There are a lot of people running small businesses out of Starbucks. They're great with homeless people as long as you're respectful.
What's it like living among homeless people?
I was raised to look down at homeless people with disgust. This challenged my perception. That's always a good thing. There are people who have experienced worse things than me. Way, way, way, way worse. I haven't had to sleep rough. So I'm lucky as far as that goes. I've always been safe. Not everyone has that luxury.
There are some homeless people struggling with mental illness or drug addiction, who can't pull themselves up by the bootstraps. They don't have bootstraps to pull. But the fastest growing subset of the homeless population are mobile homeless like me, those affected by the recession and living out of vehicles and just trying to blend in and boostrap their way out of it. I met a doctor. He and his wife were living in a car together, thinking of moving to another country and teaching English. I met a guy who speaks four languages and another guy who used to own three houses. There are a lot of people who lost their jobs and thought they'd be okay but were unable to find work. A lot of people who took unemployment as long as it would last. And a lot of others have been foreclosed on. That's pretty common. This recession has been completely indiscriminate. It's affecting everybody.
How'd you look for a job?
When you're homeless, you really want to make sure you don't have that look. Like you're homeless. On job interviews, you don't want people to know you're homeless. You find a business suit, shower in a gym or at a community college.
Did you get any work?
Yeah, a couple temp jobs, assistant work, secretarial work. I spent a month working at West Coast Choppers, doing accounting work.
What was your lowest moment?
Going through a breakup with my fiance. It ended badly with me waiting for him at a train station, abandoned in the snow in a blizzard. We met on Twitter. He was my first follower. He lived in Scotland and grew up privileged. He had a really good job and got laid off. He couldn't support the house he was living in and they finally foreclosed. And he wasn't close with his family. So he put everything into a suitcase and ended up homeless. Then he started a website about homeless people, and discovered my blog.
We visited each other and made plans to get married. I scraped up enough money to visit him in Scotland -- surprise him -- over Christmas in 2009. I got a surprise of my own. There was a woman staying in his house. I was shocked. He said, "It's not what it looks like, I'll get rid of her, but meanwhile, you can't stay here." So I stayed in a little hotel in town, spent all my money, and after a couple of days, they both packed their bags and left. The only contact with him since then was a two-line email saying, basically, "I can't explain."
That sounds devastating.
It was. That was a very depressing period. There are still periods like that occasionally. I had a couple of close friends who knew the circumstances. They'd give me pep talks and take me out to dinner. I read a lot of books. And I had to finish writing my book. It was supposed to have a happier ending, but now maybe it's more realistic. I was naive. So I guess it's a coming-of-age story.
You're not living in the Wal-Mart parking lot any more, are you?
Wal-Mart started towing people. I was at a temp job one day and I came back to find my home was gone. The general manager at the store had told us all, "you can stay as long as you need to," but somebody from the corporate office came to visit, and they had everybody towed. It took me a month to get my trailer back.
What did you do in the meantime?
I stayed in a motel for a couple of days, then I moved onto a lot in Riverside. A friend of somebody who had read my blog offered to board my dog there, and when my trailer got towed, she said, "Why don't you come and stay here." I'm in a converted shed now instead of a trailer. There are a couple other sheds and garages here. A few trailers. There's even somebody living in an old Greyhound bus. Code enforcement comes sometimes, and we all clear out, then some people come back.
You're working now, right?
Yeah, I'm a marketing assistant at a local theater group, a nonprofit. Since it's a nonprofit, the wages aren't the highest, but I love my job and the people I work with.
So why don't you move into an apartment or a more stable home?
The job doesn't pay me enough to. The commute is pretty far, rents are going up, it's that kind of vicious circle. I'm just plugging away, trying different approaches.
Do you still consider yourself homeless?
I consider myself in a limbo state. The government would consider me homeless, because I don't have a fixed residence that's fit for human habitation.
Will the book help you make enough money to get into a more stable situation?
I don't know. I used most of the advance to pay back people who had loaned me money. The book has gotten some attention but the advance wasn't a huge amount. I'm just trying to work hard and dig myself out.
What has surprised you about this experience?
I didn't think I had it in me to handle a lot of this. To go into automatic survival mode. I look back and think, "Wow, I'm stronger than I thought. I can handle more than I thought." A lot of people helped me. You can't do it without good people.
What do you feel people should know about the homeless?
There's a stereotype that they're lazy, dirty, mentally ill, or there because they want to be. It's a hard life. You can't be lazy and be homeless. You have to do so much just to survive, to get by from day to day. You don't always have transportation, money, or food. You have to worry about where it comes from. Yet get tired easily, and depressed more easily. It's not like you say, I don't feel like working any more so I'm going to go sleep on a park bench.
There's also a misconception about what "homeless" means. Do you have to be panhandling? Or sleeping on a park bench? A lot of people think it doesn't count if you're living out of a vehicle, but if they were living out of a vehicle, they might think otherwise.
What would you do to address homelessness, if you could?
Come up with more affordable housing. I have friends who have been on a waiting list for two or three years. Disadvantaged people or those with addiction problems, plus children, they tend to get it first. People like me, living out of cars, are considered higher functioning, so we wait a lot longer. I'd like to see legislation putting things into place for affordable housing.
How you do envision your future?
I've got goals and dreams. I don't think I'll ever be rich, but I would like a career. I love arts and culture and my job isn't the highest-paying, but it's fulfilling. I want to keep up my homeless advocacy. Keep blogging about it. Once it's happened to you, you can't not help. I'd like to scrape up enough to move closer to work, and have a yard for my dog again. Some day I'd like to restore an old Victorian house.

Monday, May 23, 2011

No Rapture - Again

Once again a raving lunatic says the Rapture is going to happen on such and such a day, and because he happens to be a preacher of some kind, people believe him and he's suddenly newsworthy. Unbelievable!!!
It says in the New Testament, Mattehew 24 35-36  Jesus said that no one knows the exact date and time of the end of the world: "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."  Nowhere did he say with the exception of a prophet named or unnamed who will tell you.  He said our father only will know. Meaning that it will end but we won't know until it happens, surprise...

Lee Murray

Tuesday, May 17, 2011

Central Government not United States Government - It Apparently Started Long Ago

Watching the original Hawaii 5-O, not the inferior modern version, today. McGarrett is at the airport circa Dec. 1974 to meet a "red blooded Chinese Dictator with an 8 yr old grandson," as "the Governor" describes the visitor, who 5-O is protecting. A member of the State Department comes up and introduces himself as a representative of " the Central Government," not the US Government, or the United States Government. I found that interesting, when watched in 1974 I'm sure nobody noticed or made a big deal, but today, as this country becomes more socialist, if not outright communist, by the minute, it stuck out like a sore thumb. It seems that Hollywood was aware of the direction we were moving in even then.  Will WE be calling it the Central Government before long? It seems that if Director Obama, and his ilk, (meaning former, present, and future),have their way we will.

Lee Murray

Strange Relics from the Depths of the Earth - Parts 1-3 and Bibliography

Found this article at  I've posted this information before, bur feel it can't be said too often, and so I'm posting it again.  Here is a link to  Link to Article

Author: J.R. Jochmans, Litt.D., 1979

Editor's Notes:

The article, Strange Relics From the Depths of the Earth, is a 12 part listing of documented discoveries that negate Darwin's 'Theory of Evolution'. It is not nearly as extensive as the book, Forbidden Archeology, which is reviewed elsewhere in our category.
'Strange Relics' consists of 12 parts and a bibliography. We will publish this information in 4 stages so as not to overwhelm our readers. The first stage consists of parts 1,2,3 and the bibliography, which is usually located at the end. We're placing the bibliography at the beginning to allow you immediate access to the reference sources.
As Falun Dafa cultivators * we know that this information barely begins to touch upon mankind's actual history. In the book, Zhuang Falun, by Master Li Hongzhi, we read of a civilization from 2 billion years ago that had a nuclear reactor in operation for 500,000 years! The information presented here is merely a third party confirmation of some of the information in Zhuan Falun.
The immediate question that comes to mind for most people is: 'So, why is it that mankind is in this repetitive cycle of civilization and destruction?'
The answers, of course, are in Zhuan Falun and we urge you to get a copy for yourself so that you too can understand how our contemporary western science has led us so far from the correct path.
* Falun Dafa cultivator: Fa means law or principle, lun means wheel, da means great. So, the literal translation of Falun Dafa is Law Wheel of the Great Law. This is the symbol adopted by Master Li Hongzhi. A cultivator is a person who has committed to cultivating his/her mind nature (xinxing, sheen shing) in order to become the best person possible. Zhuan Falun tells us how to accomplish this.

(1) Accepted theories and unaccepted facts

In most of the academic and scientific world today, the interpretation of the history of the earth, of life, of man, and of human culture, is defined within the narrow boundaries of specific, prevailing theories. The geology of the earth, for example, is viewed almost exclusively in terms of uniformitarianism. This means that the present-existing processes of erosion and volcanism are thought to have been the only forces at work in the past. Because of the slowness of these processes of change, and the tremendous transformations observed in the earth's depths, the age of the earth is thus counted in billions of years - today, it is put between 4 1/2 and 5 billion years.
Likewise, the history of life on this planet is seen as a lengthy development by evolution, or, the progression from simple to increasingly more complex forms. Since the simplest - and supposedly earliest - life forms appear in Cambrian rock, and Cambrian rock is dated geologically at 600 million years, this is deemed the age of life on earth. Only in the final stage of evolution did man appear on the scene, the ultimate end-product: According to the most recent anthropological finds, the earliest man-like creatures roamed the earth just 4 million years ago. Finally, the very nature of evolutionary theory dictates that man's cultural development must have been linear - a slow, gradual, but constant, upward climb from primitive beginnings, spanning the last 10,000 years, with the advent of modern technological civilization and its products the recent culmination of that climb.
These theories, which together form the uniformitarian-evolution-linear model, have predominated modern science for the past century, to the extent that all finds made - every rock sample, every fossil, every human remains and every artifact - have been carefully interpreted and categorized so as to fit this model's framework, at the exclusion of all other. But it is becoming increasingly apparent that not all facts from the past find their 'proper' place. Other discoveries have been made that contradict the accepted model. Yet these discoveries are largely ignored, since it is far easier for the majority of scientists and historians to uphold what is 'established,' than to try to build a new model based on the 'exceptions.'
One of the greatest pitfalls of the uniformitarian-evolution-linear model is that it must accept the premise that man, as an intelligent being, was a very recent arrival in the history of the earth. With the geologic record counted in billions of years, the fossil record in hundreds of millions of years, the record of human fossils in the millions of years, and human civilization only in the thousands of years, there would be no way to explain the presence of human bones, or sophisticated artifacts derived from the hand of man, in deep rock strata. In fact, the finding of even a single such item would be totally devastating to the model, for it would negate the entire concept of uniformity, and the evolution of man and human culture in the past.
The point that will be brought out in this book is that there is evidence for man, and the products of human civilization, in the deep recesses of the earth. Herein are presented the case histories.

(2) The bones of forgotten men

Walk into any natural museum today, or read any textbook on anthropology, and one invariably finds a large chart exhibited, tracing the ancestry of man back through more primitive forebears, until the line is lost somewhere amid the apes. Recently, paleoanthropologist Richard Leakey, excavating in Ethiopia, announced the discovery of what are supposed to be the oldest accepted fossil remains of man - about 4 million years old. What has been disturbing about the new finds is that they are, in part, too human: Their great age, yet partly 'modern' appearance, has forced evolutionists to push back the departure of man from the ape stock farther into the past, so that now it is beginning to infringe upon the time period necessary for the development of the apes themselves.
But while the African finds are revolutionary, there have been other discoveries of human fossils greatly more important, but these have been deliberately neglected or denounced, because they are far older than man is 'supposed' to be.
Over a hundred years ago, in the 1850's, gold miners began digging tunnels into the sides and top of Table Mountain, northwest of Needles, California. Gold was discovered, but along with it were bones of extinct mastodons, mammoths, bison, tapirs, horses, rhinos, hippos and camels - all dating from the Pliocene. In 1863, a physician from nearby Sonora, Dr. R. Snell, began to collect specimens from the excavations. In that year, with his bare hands, he loosened from among the fossils a stone disc that appeared to have been used for grinding. But Dr. Snell was not the first, or last, to unearth mysterious objects from the mountain gravel: In 1853, Oliver W. Stevens made affidavit that he removed a large stone bowl from the lowest level tunnel; in 1857, the Honorable Paul Hubbs, of Vallejo, dug up part of a human crania from inside the Valentine shaft; and in 1862, Mr. Llewellyn Pierce also signed affidavit that he had found a stone mortar 200 feet in from the mouth of the same shaft. The most dramatic find, however, was reserved for a Mr. Mattison, one of the owners of the mines. In February of 1866, Mattison unearthed from beneath a layer of basalt an object which - because of the encrustation's - he first thought was the petrified root of a tree, but on closer examination discovered was a complete human skull. The miner sent the skull to the office of the State Survey in June of the same year. Eventually, the skull came into the possession of Dr. L. Wyman, of Harvard College, who removed the encasing material around the cranium. Dr. Wyman, and an associate named Professor Whitney, identified the skull as very modern in type, but also noted that, 'the fragments of bones and gravel and shells were so wedged into the cavities of the skull that there could be no mistake as to the character of the situation in which it is found.' The stickler was, however, that this meant the skull, along with all the artifacts found, were 12 million years old.
In 1958, Dr. Johannes Huerzeler, of the Museum of Natural History in Basel, Switzerland, unearthed a human jawbone at a depth of 600 feet, in a coal mine in Tuscany, Italy. The bone had belonged to a child, between the ages of five and seven. Though flattened like a sheet of iron, the jaw was declared by several experts to be not only human, but modern-looking at that. But what mystified them was that it had been encased in a Miocene stratum - geologically dated at 20 million years. Dr. Huerzeler declared it to be the world's oldest man' - but his fellow anthropologists did not dare give it the same distinction. Here were human remains more modern in appearance than all the 'ape-men' forms ever found - yet they were five times as old as any of them. In fact, the jaw bone is as old, if not older, than many ancestors of the apes. The bone raised more problems than answers - so the find was quickly 'shelved,' and no further work was ever done to give it due recognition.
Early in November of 1926, archaeologist J.C.F. Siegfriedt made a discovery in another mine, this one the Number Three shaft of the Mutual Coal Mine of Bear Creek, 55 miles southwest of Billings, Montana. What Siegfriedt found was a human tooth, in which the enamel had been replaced by carbon and the roots by iron, by seepage petrification. In an account published in the Carbon County News and dated November 11, 1926, Siegfriedt reported that he had meticulously preserved the mineral matrix that had been deposited around the tooth, and several dentists identified the mold created as being a human second lower molar. The tooth, however, came from the lower level of the mine - from an Eocene deposit dated at 30 million years old. Siegfriedt could generate no interest in his find among other specialists, and as far as is known, no one has done any further study of the mystery.
One of the more controversial of the 'out-of-place' bones from extreme antiquity is today part of the collection of the Freiberg Mining Academy in West Germany. It is a poorly preserved human skull, found in brown coal in 1842, from an undisclosed locality. Early European authorities dismissed the skull as a fake, but more recent research and analysis has questioned this hasty pronouncement, putting it back into the realm of the authentic. The reason for its initial denunciation is understandable: The coal it was embedded in, a portion of which still clings to the skull, is estimated to be as much as 50 million years old.
It seems that even when authentication is overwhelming, the response by the scientific community is, inversely, underwhelming. In 1973, a rock collector named Lin Ottinger was searching over a rock plateau that had just been bulldozed over, in preparation for the beginning of mining operations by the nearby Big Indian Copper Mine. The mine is situated 35 miles southwest of Moab, Utah. During his pickings in the exposed rock, Ottinger suddenly found pieces of bone and teeth, and traced these to a patch of sand with a brown stain - the tell-tale sign of decayed organic matter. Carefully removing the sand, Ottinger discovered the top portion of a large intact bone. The rockhound, realizing the importance of his find, decided to have a credited expert look at it, and let him do the digging, so that everything would be 'scientifically acceptable.'
A week later, Ottinger returned to the plateau with Dr. J.P. Marwitt, professor of anthropology at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, several photographers, a news reporter, and a number of observers. With cameras recording the event, Dr. Marwitt carefully removed the lower halves of two human skeletons. The bones were articulated - that is, laid out naturally - showing the bodies had not fallen or been washed into the stratum in which they were situated. These and other factors revealed the bones to be as old as the layer in which they were found. The one problem was, the layer is Lower Dakota and Upper Morrison formations -over 100 million years of age, according to uniformitarian geologists. Yet, as Marwitt noted, the bones were not simian or even half-ape: They were fully human and modern-looking.

(3) The bones of forgotten men

The skeletons were taken by Marwitt back with him to the University of Utah, to run laboratory datings on them. But whether the tests were ever run, there was no official confirmation. One gets the impression they were, and that the findings were too disturbing for conservative thinking. Marwitt suddenly became 'disinterested' in the project, and left Utah to take up a teaching position elsewhere. After a year waiting for results, Ottinger recovered the bones - and that ended the scientific inquiry.
More finds, made in the last century, were similarly reported, and promptly forgotten. The Saturday Herald of Iowa City carried an article that on April 10, 1867, human remains and artifacts were brought to light at the Rocky Point Mine, in Gilman, Colorado. At a depth of 400 feet below the surface, excavators found human bones embedded in a silver vein. Along with the bones was found a well-tempered copper arrowhead. As best as can be calculated, the vein in which the items were situated was 135 million years old, by present geological standards. ((SR. #2))
At times, the discoveries made revealed 'mysteries upon mysteries.' In July, 1877, four prospectors were looking for gold and silver outcroppings in a desolate, hilly area near the head of Spring Valley, not far from Eureka, Nevada. Scanning the rocks, one of the men spotted something peculiar projecting from a high ledge. Climbing up to get a better look, the prospector was surprised to find a human legbone and knee cap sticking out of solid rock. He called to his companions, and together they dislodged the oddity with picks. Realizing they had a most unusual find, the men brought it into Eureka, where it was placed on display.
The stone in which the bones were embedded was a hard, dark red quartzite, and the bones themselves were almost black with carbonization - indicative of great age. When the surrounding stone was carefully chipped away, the specimen was found to be composed of a leg bone broken off four inches above the knee, the knee cap and joint, the lower leg bones, and the complete bones of the foot. Several medical doctors examined the remains, and were convinced that anatomically they had indeed once belonged to a human being, and a very modern-looking one. But an intriguing aspect of the bones was their size: from knee to heel they measured 39 inches. Their owner in life had thus stood over 12 feet tall. Compounding the mystery further was the fact that the rock in which the bones were found was dated geologically to he era of the dinosaurs, the Jurassic - over 185 million years old. The local papers ran several stories on the marvelous find, and two museums sent investigators to see if any more of the skeleton could be located. Unfortunately, nothing else but the leg and foot existed in the rock.
The next and last skeletal find takes us another quantum leap in geologic time, and plunges us even deeper into the earth's strata. A Scientific American article published in 1880 reprinted the particulars of a discovery made in the spring of that year, reported in the St. Louis Republican. Dr. R.W. Booth, who operated an iron mine about 3 miles from Dry Branch, in Franklin County, Missouri, unearthed from a depth of 18 feet a human skull, portions of ribs, vertebrae and a collar bone. With them were two barbed arrowheads of flint, and pieces of charcoal. Dr. Booth realized the significance of all this, but was frustrated when at just a touch the skull crumbled to dust, and the other bones likewise broke into pieces. But these pieces nevertheless told their story: Later analysis showed they were definitely human. Two and a half weeks later, Dr. Booth reached a level of 24 feet, and found more of the same skeleton - a thigh bone, vertebrae, and more charred wood. What is more, the remains were found resting on a layer of iron ore, which bore the impressions of coarse matting. One could still see the marks of criss-crossing fibers. What astounded Booth was that the layer in which both portions were dug up was the second or saccharoidal sandstone of the Lower Silurian - dated an incredible 425 million years old.
Let me repeat that: 425 million years. We have gone far beyond the purported age of human culture, of man himself, the apes, all mammals, even the age of the dinosaurs. According to evolutionary theory, the Silurian age saw the advent of life on land and was in fact more than two-thirds of the way back to the supposed advent of life itself. But what are the remains of man and his products doing at this level? Something, certainly, is very wrong.

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